Analyse complète du couple Jack/Sam

sarah973

Alors j'ai trouvé cette très longue dissertation sur "Holes and Chains" le tout nouveau Jack/Sam forum parce que le gang de "Maple street" commence a saturer !!! Alors désolé c'est en anglais mais c'est l'analyse de la relation Jack/Sam la plus complète que j'ai jamais vu avec en plus des "quotes" tirés des épisodes !! Et cette analyse a été faite par la très grande Spy Master. Un seul mot après avoir lu tout ça : Amen !!!
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sarah973 · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 16:12 Sujet du message:

Right let's the start at the beginning as it's the best place to start. Why Jack and Sam began and why it ended? Now, the common belief around Maple Street and other sacred places is that they just got too close. That Farrell was partially right maybe about how it began. Jack needed comfort as he does take things to heart and from what we've seen of Maria she doesn't understand one bit, Sam's right there with me and let's face it she's attractive so one night they find comfort in each other. Nice scenario but you're probably thinking it doesn't fit with Jack's guilt complex, why would it have continued for five months. I reckon that at the beginning much like what people always accuse Sam and Martin of just being it was just the sex but then over time they just grew to like each others company (Evidence: Malone vs Malone the crossword scene. It didn't smack of affair at all, they laid on Sam's bed (with clothes on) and did a crossword puzzle.) Then of course you could ask why did Jack break up with Sam if he was so in love with her like I'm claiming. The answer he gave in Malone vs Malone was that he thought that it was hurting his family and I buy that. After all particularly in the early days we never saw much of Jack/Maria interaction. I don't think that he ended it because she confronted him at all although I certainly think that by The Source at least she knew about it. Guilt over his daughters and how they weren't seeing him probably. After all guilt is what drives him.

Right now why Martin and Sam began? From the start Martin liked Sam (Evidence: He asks her out for a drink. Just check out the look he gives her in the Pilot. I don't need to quote Sam/Martin stuff) Over season 2 they start to get to know each other a little better. The Bus happens and where in the past Sam might have gone to Jack he's back firmly with his wife now and Martin's there. However, Jack clearly still cares as Revelations shows us (Evidence: Revelations the ring twisting which shows that Sam still cares too. There's the line "Nobody has lost faith in you. Least of all me" you could change that easily into "Nobody has stopped loving you. Least of all me." After all it's what he wants to say, the look on his face and then at the end the hand which gravitates naturally to her back is shoved uncomfortably into his pocket.). Then further along in Season 2 A tree falls happens. Martin has now experienced a shooting (although Sam doesn't know exactly how that all went down) it gives them common ground and she's there for him like he was for her. Then there's Shadows. I can't really explain Shadows except Martin needed help and Sam is who he looks towards, that speaks volumes for how Martin feels, Sam does her job and helps him because he's a friend in need not because she loves him or anything though.
Lost and Found. All the posts I've read here seemed to ignore the big deciding factor for J/S. Sam's reaction. (Evidence: "My wife was a really good job in Chicago and she took it. I've decided to go with her." Sam's starts to shake and then she cries afterwards. How often have we seen Sam that seriously upset? Fall Out (she was shot) and Maple Street (she had empathy). That hit her hard. Vivian's known Jack a long time she didn't have that reaction, neither did Danny and Danny could have felt that everybody walks out on him. She hadn't moved on and she didn't suddenly decide to move on. She'd been stuck in limbo that wasn't perfect but it was reasonably safe and then Jack just threw the whole thing off balance. I hear you M/S shippers asking [b]why if Jack loves Sam so much did he agree to go?. The answer is again guilt. He wants to keep his family together. He's willing to stop working missing persons a job that he loves despite or perhaps because of the pain it inflicts on him. He's willing to move away from New York, from everything he knows and loves because of his daughters, his guilt about his mother. Sam has to be part of that sacrafice and I don't think for one minute that he wants to go or do it (Evidence: Lost and Found end scene. "I better keep doing this or else I'll lose my nerve." He doesn't want to go and Sam being there as he's having to pack up just reminds him of that even more.) Sam helping him pack is apparently a classic technique that pyshciatrists recommend to help with the letting go process, Sam mentioned she'd just been to go see Lisa Harris the in house shrink.
Next episode Bait Martin saves her life. You feel eternally grateful to somebody for that even if you hate them. Jack's leaving she needs comforting and Martin's there and he's interested. I don't think that Sam would ever have thought that she was using him, certainly not at the beginning, but she was. Perhaps she deluded herself into thinking 'Jack's leaving for good. I need to properly move on now.' Who better to move on with but with somebody you already know is interested and who's safe. It's no strings, she doesn't have to give anything.

However, as we all know the relationship continued past Jack's decision to stay in New York. M/S shippers argument she must be over him. Wrong. It completely threw her. (Evidence: Thou Shalt Not the phone conversation she had with Jack when she first learned that he was staying in New York. She starts to shake again like when she heard he was leaving New York in Lost and Found.) However, you can argue why didn't she break up with Martin? Answer Jack had hurt her too many times. She doesn't want to get hurt again and she doesn't know whether Jack wants her back anyway. Subconciously though she sabotages the relationship with Martin. I've read what the M/S shippers argument is. 'He's the second man she's slept with on the team, she didn't want to appear a slut.' 'A relationship needs time to form before everybody knows about it otherwise it's under too much pressure. Both of those I can combat with this. (Evidence: Danny knows about Sam and Martin and let's them know he knows. Vivian knew (Sam's discovery of heart monitor. Vivian making her promise to tell nobody not even Martin). The only person left on the team is Jack. Now sure you could say she was embarrassed incase the rest of the FBI found out but I don't buy that because Martin would be considered a better choice. It would get her off the hook with the OPR, stop possible judgement questions about having a relationship with a married man who is your superiour etc. etc. That leaves only Jack.) She doesn't want Jack to know because she deep down still cares about what he thinks, what he feels. She could be terrified that he'd give her his blessing so to speak and then it really would be over because she still loves him. (Evidence: Malone vs Malone flashback. Would she really remember something that happened over two years ago that's seemingly insignificant. It meant something to her. Nickel and Dimed "The only reason why you won't let me do this is because of our history." Said with a small level of hostility I admit but would she really have brought it up if she wasn't thinking about it. It was two years ago if it didn't matter to her then she'd think it didn't matter to him either but she brought it up. Doppelganger. The not so casual inquiry into his divorce proceedings. I could go on.) Martin broke up with her because he wanted more than she did. He wanted a relationship, she didn't. Maybe it would have gone somewhere if Jack hadn't come back but he did and consequently Martin wasn't enough. He'd been a distraction from the pain caused by Jack leaving, she should have ended it when he came back she didn't (still deluding herself into thinking she was moving on, it's her subconcious that's the sabatoeur remember.) Martin quite rightly got fed up and called an end to it.

Now comes the end. Endgame. Nobody is with anybody. What will happen? Will Sam go to Martin's side because he's been shot and she's suddenly realised that she loves him? No because she doesn't. If that happens it'll be because she cares about him (she really does but caring isn't enough, it's not love) and feels guilty. Will she go to Jack and admit her true feelings because a shooting shook her up enough to realise that she does love him? Nope that won't happen either, too much is still uncertain. In all honesty I don't know what will happen. Jack has proven that he still cares by attempting to sound Sam out in Endgame (Evidence: The conversation near the Makeba embassy. Jack repeatedly asking Sam how she is. He's been too damaged by Maria's vicious divorce attack to try anything more obvious or heartfelt.). I don't know what will happen though. I have theories but they're just theories.

To add weight to my Jack and Sam argument I give you Further Proof of Love
Season 1
Pilot collar scene. The look Jack gives her. They've broken up by this time but the chemistry between them. In fact there's some evidence that Jack and Sam were in love before the writers even made it that way because of the chemistry. They'd originally constructed it for the relationship to be Sam and Martin but after the pilot a lot of people questioned what was going on between them. They could see the love too. (Thanks sun_walker for that insight)
He saw she saw. She's shaken when she discovers that he's separated form his wife for three months after their affair ended. Maybe she thinks he should have told her more likely it's because she still loves him and is scarcely able to believe that there could be hope for them. I don't know.
Maple street. He brings her coffee, touches her her shoulder in an attempt to comfort her. Yeah there's love.
There goes the bride. Watching this in slow motion is best. When Martin's saying his line about love being deaf and dumb Sam walks round Jack and she holds onto his arm. I know Season 1 backwards but I picked that up on my second viewing.
The Source. Sam has flowers from Kellar. Jack's jealous although he shouldn't be, has no reason to be. Also there's obviously chemistry still between them because Maria spots it when she arrives.
Victory for humanity. The end scene. "Just having someone look for me was enough to make sure I didn't do it again." "It's a good thing."
AYNOHYEB. The official breakup. There's some speculation that Jack only had to affirm it was over because it didn't really end. On some of the cases they'd slipped as it were e.g. Midnight sun. Was an overnight trip necessary for two agents? It would also gel with The Source and Jack being a little jealous. However, speculation aside there's quite a few moments in that episode that just scream love. After Sam told Jack about Farrell and the interview he goes and threatens him. He loves her alright.
Fallout "I want Samantha." That was not just filler talk. He traded his life for her life. Martin ate a bagel. The scene outside with the face holding. The fact that she only cries when he walks in despite all the pain she was in, she'd been allowed to let go, allowed to cry by his very prescene she was comforted knowing that she didn't have to fight it anymore.
Season 2
Revelations. I've already mentioned this but it's important. The wistfullness of twisting his ring. The regret shown on Jack's face. Possibly the shippiest moment ever.
Confidence. Jack sending Sam to Palm Springs. The looks they give each other. The very fact that she wondered about a hidden message and I don't think that's because she thinks that Jack doubts her as an agent. After all she knows he's back with his family, right after she got shot, must have hurt and now he's sending her away. By the end of the scene they're comfortable with each other again, back to casual flirting.
Moving on. Need I say more.
Mentioned Lost and Found. That's a really shippy episode from start to finish. Placebo mentioned the conversation with Martin about feelings so not much to add. The end scene, the angst but the love.
Let's not forget Bait.
Season 3
Light Years end scene. Sam looks at Jack alone in his office. Would have gone to him maybe but Martin comes and the moment passes. Angst but love. Then there's Viv's speech. That hurt and Jack knew that's what it was meant to do otherwise he would have answered back. He knew Viv didn't believe that so didn't bother.
Nickel and Dimed. Quote from sarataja
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After being contacted by the middle-man of the drug-dealers Sam waits until morning to call Jack. When he hangs up, Vivian, who overheard the whole thing asks him why he didn't pull her out if he is so concerned. Jack's answer: Because I don't make decisions based on fear. Sam is then abducted. They track down the middle-man and while Jack goes to pick him up Martin is left at the office with Danny asking him if he is okay. Martin's answer: I'm just worried about her.
So, let's sum this up:
Jack is consumed with fear by the mere thought of what might happen to Sam. Martin is worried when it actually does happen to Sam.
I mean...come on Last I looked in my dictionary there was still a distinct difference in depth and strength between worry and fear.

Doppelganger. The flirting with offering to buy her a drink. Sounding her out again. Somebody said that they thought that this was TPTB way of showing how the whole affair started, I don't disagree.
Malone vs Malone. Slight hesitation on saying that he wouldn't go back to dating Ms Spade but as he explains he gets firmer, stronger. It's in the past and she's with Martin. The crossword scene, nuff said. Sam's guilt over the whole thing. She knows that this is what he feared the most and hates causing him pain. She wouldn't think for a moment about it if she didn't care. She might be sorry but she wouldn't feel as bad as she did. As for the "I'm happy" scene. Has anybody ever said that and looked less happy?
Lonestar the love triangle convo, the writers poking fun at their own work? Either way the look afterwards that Jack gives watching Sam as she goes back to the bullpen. Then there's the whole "Sometimes the best thing you can do with your life is move on." He wants too but it isn't easy for him like it was for that cop.
Second sight. A problem with M? Was it really Martin or was it Malone. She went back over all her principles. Is her relationship with Martin that complicated? No. Jack makes things complicated.
The Bogie Man. "Just keep it in the office" Not a nice thing to say at all but that's because Jack still loves Sam and is hurt by her relationship with Martin. He snaps out of irrational anger and although Sam looked annoyed (getting it from both of them in the space of a couple of minutes) she doesn't seem it the scene after. I'd hold annoyance about something like that for a while and I don't think it's just because Sam's professional that she let it drop. She's happy because it shows he cares.
John Michaels. I have written a full anaylsis of this and it's way too long for this post which is already long enough. I'll post it later if asked.

Conclusion. Jack and Sam is the only ship to sail. Nuff said.
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feerie21 · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 16:30 Sujet du message:

Waow !!

Le roman que tu nous a écri lol !!! Mais comme je suis courageuse j'ai tout lu jusqu'au bout ! J'ai jamais vu quelque chose d'aussi complet comme quoi on a de bons arguments et y'a vraiment rien à redire. Sam et Jack s'aiment !
PS : T'as raison sarah : amen ! Très content

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sarah973 · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 16:35 Sujet du message:

Lol !!! Mais je ne l'ai pas écrit c'est Spy Master qui l'a fait !!! Moi j'ai juste fait copier-coller !! Je voulais juste vous le faire partager parce qu'elle a vraiment tout passé au rayon x et c'est vraiment très bien fait !!!
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feerie21 · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 16:39 Sujet du message:

Ouais je sais que c'est Spy Master qui l'a écri mais merci sarah parce que c'est vrai que je n'ai jamais vu quelque chose d'aussi complet ! Vraiment bravo à elle ! Et encore merci de nous l'avoir fait partager.
PS : Heureusement qu'il y a le copier/coller !
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AxL · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 17:48 Sujet du message:

Pour ceux qui ne comprendrait pas l'anglais (comme moi M. Green

) vous pouvez faire un copier/coller du texte et le coller dans un traducteur comme celui de google ! Clin d'oeil

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Jack/SamCRAZY · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 18:01 Sujet du message:

Superbe analyse !! Même si je n'ai rien compris je suis sûre qu'elle doit être bien. Roulement des yeux

Je suis sûre que si on en faisait une sur le couple Martin/Sam ça ne serait pas aussi long ! Google et sa traduction non merci, il marque n'importe quoi et je ne comprends rien du tout !!!
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sarah973 · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 18:36 Sujet du message:

Mdr !! Si tu veux y'a d'autres traducteurs comme "voila" qui ne sont pas trop nuls !!
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Jack/SamCRAZY · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 18:44 Sujet du message:

Ok j'essayerais merci. Clin d'oeil

Sinon voilà deux magnifiques walls, et là je pèse mes mots, sur le couple Jack/Sam !!! Le premier je l'ai direct mis en fond d'écran !!!

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feerie21 · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 18:47 Sujet du message:

Waouh ils sont supers ! Merci Jack/SamCRAZY !!! Mais qui les a fait ???
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Jack/SamCRAZY · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 18:48 Sujet du message:

Celle qui les a fait c'est Mali. Tu dois la connaître elle est inscrite sur l'autre forum. Clin d'oeil

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feerie21 · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 18:51 Sujet du message:

Oui effectivement. Et bien elle est très douée !
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sarah973 · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 18:51 Sujet du message:

Waouh les walls sont magnifiques !!!
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AxL · Posté le: 01 Nov 2005 19:23 Sujet du message:

Attention... HS !!
M. Green

(Oui je sais je suis chiant mais j'aime l'ordre).
Clin d'oeil

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eliz · Posté le: 02 Nov 2005 9:54 Sujet du message:

Comme ils sont trop beaux !
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